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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number

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678 for the 3rd of october

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2021 richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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october already

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well it's been a long year of course and

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much of this year for sydney siders

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has been in lockdown

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but it seems next week i think next week

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certain restrictions will be lifted and

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we can start to look forward to getting

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back to life as normal whatever that

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might mean in the future

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but what's in the future for the next

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hour anyway coming up on the skeptic

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zone podcast we're going to start off

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with a report from adrian hill

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you can count on adrian with adrian hill

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she's going to be looking at the herman

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cain award and this is akin

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to the sorry

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site we discussed a couple of weeks ago

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and apparently this is on subreddit find

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out more with adrian hill then we relate

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the story which you've probably heard by

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now about the strong stance youtube is

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taking against

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anti-vaccination disinformation

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and banning many prominent anti-vaxxers

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and videos pertaining to

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vaccination giving bad or

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false advice

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a strong move find out more later on in

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the show then a real treat maynard

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is back with maynard's spooky action and

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maynard

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chats to his dad

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maynard's dad turned 93 a couple of

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weeks ago maynard took the opportunity

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to interview him about his memories of

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when he was a very young boy

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and the ramifications of the last flu

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pandemic then to round off the show it's

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the trove segment this week we're going

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to be looking at palm reading palm

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newspapers going back through the

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and speaking of palm reading palm

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reading is the subject of one of the

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very short videos i've just put up on

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tick tock

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at richard underscore saunders on tick

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tock

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i've put up palm reading

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tarot card reading and pendulums because

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i've noticed

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all those sort of things to appear on

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tock have i noticed palm reading i'm

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sure it's there somewhere certainly

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tarot card as we discussed last week

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and pendulums

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and i hope to be putting up more short

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videos

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probably in the next week

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but if you go to the skeptic's own

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website at skepticzone.tv go to the top

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of the page you'll see the tick tock

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link and you can check them out and my

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dear friend dr angie mattke over in

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atlanta georgia has also been putting up

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the same videos and we're keen to see

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who gets more hits maybe i'm cheating a

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tick tock is an interesting thing

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to all the way to very serious topics

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lots of silliness there

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and lots of good information and bad

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information it's a mixed bag and another

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shout out to my wonderful friends

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in melbourne it's been too long i keep

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dreaming of the day melbourne is a great

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great place to visit wonderful place i

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keep dreaming of the day where i'm able

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such a good time with my friend dr steve

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roberts in melbourne

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we uh have the habit in the recent years

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of raiding costco to buy a giant tin of

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and just enjoy watching obscure russian

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yeah it's good and i really enjoy it and

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to my other friends in melbourne

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i think you know how much i miss seeing

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have that wonderful

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you can count on adrian

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with adrian hill

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hello everyone

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similar to the content of the sorry

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antivixer.com site that richard susan

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gerbic and rob palmer talked about a

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couple episodes ago there is a subreddit

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that has become very popular that i'm

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going to talk about today

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like the sorry anti-vaxxer site it is

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it is called the hermann cain award

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subreddit which awards the hermann kane

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freedom award that has seen exponential

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growth according to several news sources

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writing about the sub

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in july there were around 2 000 members

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and when i looked at the sub on

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september 22nd when i found out about it

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there were just under 280 000 members

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as of today when i'm recording on

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september 30th there are just over

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340 000 members

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what is the herman cain freedom award

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and who was herman cain herman cain

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according to wikipedia was a successful

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american businessman and republican

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activist

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in 2011 kane announced his candidacy for

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president though he did later withdraw

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after facing allegations of sexual

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misconduct

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in 2020 kane was the co-chair of black

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voices for trump

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he opposed max mandates posting anti-max

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propaganda regularly on his social media

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accounts

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an example of one of his tweets

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don't believe everything you hear on

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fake news i never had the wuhan flu

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because it doesn't exist

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hashtag mask off

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my body my choice hashtag pandemic end

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kane was photographed at a june 2020

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nine days later kane tested positive for

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covid19 and of course we don't know for

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sure he contracted the virus at the

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rally

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and sadly he died a month later from

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he was 74.

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the herman cain freedom award or hcfa is

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reminiscent of the darwin awards

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taken directly from the subreddit it

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says quote

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nominees have made public declaration of

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their anti-mask anti-vaxx or covet hoax

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the award is granted upon the nominees

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release from their earthly shackles end

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the subreddit has been criticized as

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being insensitive and grotesque by

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appearing to celebrate the deaths of

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people that are not in the same

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and i don't know if the posts are

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but what i saw was a lot of very sad and

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frustrated people posting about friends

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and relatives that they miss and mourn

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many have a very angry overtone because

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according to lil luthborough who wrote

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she describes the site as cruel and

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heartless but goes on to state it is one

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place where you truly see the suffering

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of these people in vast numbers versus a

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course of the disease that can be really

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the moderators have made it very clear

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that they would prefer that the sub

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she passed away last night due to covet

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eight kids now motherless

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two seven seven seven kilometer wrote

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he's my family and he died end quote

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according to the moderators one of the

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encourage people to get vaccinated while

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is effective i was gratified to notice

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that there were alternating herman cain

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freedom awards posts and quote ipa posts

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and ipa is not an indian pale ale award

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for beer it is the immunized to prevent

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award that was created by the subreddit

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there were many posts of people showing

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their vaccine cards and stating that the

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subreddit was the reason for them

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quote my extended family is all in the

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running based on their social media this

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subreddit was what fully convinced me

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after waffling back and forth

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officially out of the running and so

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relieved honestly end quote

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posted by max brown quote kind of

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embarrassed it took me this long always

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been pro-vaxxed but just kept putting it

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off no more end quote

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tooth hearty love that name

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posted their vaccination card stating

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and that is the most important thing to

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bring forward it is easy to avoid

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just get vaccinated wear a mask and

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until next time this is adrian hill

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signing off and running upstairs to

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admire my vaccination passport that

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shows i am doing my best to avoid the

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did you know the european continent is

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them list english as the first or at

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least one of the official languages and

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activism going on out there that you are

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not aware of because it's not in english

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yeah because you know pseudoscience

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quackery and fake news do not stop at

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borders they get translated to other

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now here's a development that took me a

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little bit by surprise

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it's a welcome development of course and

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this is reported at news

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uh the abc news service here in

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abc.net.you i'll link to this story in

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the show note but the story is from

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reuters

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youtube blocks all anti-vaccine content

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this was published on the 30th of

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youtube will block all anti-vaccine

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content moving beyond its ban on false

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information about covert vaccines to

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include content that contains

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misinformation about other approved

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vaccines it has said in a blog post

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examples of content that won't be

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allowed on youtube include claims that

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the flu vaccine causes infertility that

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the mmr shot which protects against

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measles mumps and rubella can cause

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autism according to youtube's policies

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the online video company owned by

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alphabet inc is also banning channels

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associated with several prominent

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anti-vaccination activists including

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robert f kennedy jr and joseph mccalla a

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youtube spokesman said

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a press email from a caller's website

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said in a statement quote

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we are united across the world

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we will not live in fear we will stand

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together and restore our freedoms

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end quote

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mr kennedy said in a statement quote

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there is no instance in history when

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censorship and secrecy have advanced

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either democracy or public health end

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quote the move comes as youtube and

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other tech giants like facebook inc and

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twitter inc have been criticized for not

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doing enough to stop the spread of false

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health information

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on their sites

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but even as youtube takes a tougher

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stand on misinformation it faces

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backlash around the world

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on tuesday russian state-backed

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broadcaster rts german language channels

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were deleted from youtube as the company

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said the channels had breached its

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covert 19 misinformation policy

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russia on wednesday called the move

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quote unprecedented information

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aggression and quote and threatened to

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block youtube

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now this has just triggered in my mind

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the

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interesting situation where we have

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people marching in the street for

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freedom so to speak

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echoing and regurgitating what we know

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to be false information

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outright lies

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um distorted facts and all the rest of

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it

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and

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they are quick to call

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uh the rest of us sheep or sheeple or

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accuse us of not doing our own research

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and and so on and so forth it's

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interesting because

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uh the

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exact criticisms they level at us fit

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them far better

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without without question it's it's

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fascinating from a psychological point

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of view

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and it reminds me too of a recent series

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of posts that i was involved with

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with somebody

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who was

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upset

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that

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there is a strong movement now against

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anti-vaxxers

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um

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citing lots of anecdotal evidence for

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the harm vaccine cause

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and when pressed

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simply could not come up with the goods

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and i saw a tick-tocker

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a tick-tocker

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commenting

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saying that

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when

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they they scream and cry and carry on

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but if they're forced into court

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they can't back up their stance with the

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with evidence much like

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the analogy was made much like rudy

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giuliani and the

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uh the big lie controversy

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once they've actually been placed in

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court and need to back up their bold

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statements

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of course their uh their side falls

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anyway three cheers for youtube for

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banning

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damaging and harmful

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false

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somewhere between science and

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look your daughter doesn't say she's a

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demon she says she's the devil himself

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that thing is not my daughter and i want

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you to tell me there's a show where the

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hosts don't just report on french

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science and spirituality but take part

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themselves

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well there is and it's ono ross and

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kerry on maximum fun this year we

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actually became certified exorcists so

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yes carrie and i can help your daughter

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or we can just talk about it on the show

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here's maynard's spooky action

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now richard is doing something very

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special on the skeptic zone he was

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talking about newcastle and he was

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talking about the 1918 flu

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uh the

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1918 pandemic which i believe went round

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the world a couple of times as far as

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well 1922 in some places and of course

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here's someone who wasn't exactly there

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but they weren't very far from it it's

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my dad who is 93 years old today happy

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birthday dad thank you

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hey

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what did you hear about as a child

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growing up about the great plague that

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happened only a few years before you

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were born

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well there was a plague before the flu

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epidemic

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come back they tracked it back to the

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rats and the mice and all that type of

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vermin but that that was quite as severe

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particularly when you look at it those

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days you know

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the medical uh knowledge was not what

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what it is today

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but of course after the plague it came

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the flu

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which was an aftermath of the

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sec first world war

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and what i've read about it that

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mostly

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came from

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america

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came over towards the first world war

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getting towards the end of it

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and

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after the first world war

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it made its way

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back home

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to australia and were any family members

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affected were there anybody working as

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medical staff at that time that you know

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of was there any personal history

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involved

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not that i can can remember

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but

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my uncle he went to the first world war

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but he was in france in the trenches but

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he escaped and came back home again i

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could tell he was

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but he didn't

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bring it back home

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but it found its way back home here and

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everything i've read the history

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books

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tell us that more or less

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came from

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the end of the first world war but but

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came near by the americans which came in

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towards the end of the first world war

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and then the disease was automatically

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in some way found its way

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back to australia which was very very

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severe in walls end where i lived uh my

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mother

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uh recalled it very well and i only

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think i can remember telling me

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that the walls in public school

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was turned into a hospital

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to meet the demands for the people that

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were stricken

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with this very bad flu epidemic and of

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course a lot of people lost their lives

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with it

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and

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can you remember anybody wearing masks

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after that was there any mask wearing

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going on when you were young as like a

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sort of memory at that time wearing

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masks as a precaution

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no no i i can't comment on that one

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because i'm not sure

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there's no doubt

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the wearing of masks at the present

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moment with the present epic

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epidemic would have covered

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uh i'm hearing the reports it'll take at

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the moment

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singapore

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they're seriously considering that

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mars will be there to stay for good

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but on my many visits i recall

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all the many times i went to hong kong

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back in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s

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every time we went there i was quite

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surprised to see

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people hong kong

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marrying wearing masks and i

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automatically thought well they must be

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sick or something but that's not it at

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all the reason that they mostly wear

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mars

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back in hong kong

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is because they don't want to catch the

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local flu or the local health problems

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that's there

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and so this will be probably

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the reason that

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who knows we may have to continue

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wearing masks

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which will give you an added protection

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in relation to your health of course

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there's been a few other various

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diseases that have come along that have

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been of note there has been the hong

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kong flu in the in the 60s

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there's been polio of course which was

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which was

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like unknown now but was was around in

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the 50s and before is there any disease

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like that that's affected people you

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know throughout your life

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no i it's uh it's never ever

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been publicized but

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00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,799
you know let's face it uh if you're

571
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,320
wearing a mask

572
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,400
well definitely you got more protection

573
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,600
and picking up the the local cold or flu

574
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,600
or whatever bugs going around at the

575
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,799
moment

576
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,640
uh so

577
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,240
those people in the order have been

578
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,640
there a long time and

579
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,080
they've been using this pattern for

580
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,320
quite a number of years even though it's

581
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,919
quite a healthy

582
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,200
location

583
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,840
can you remember the first time you

584
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,840
heard or exposed or offered a

585
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,919
vaccination of some sort

586
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,919
a shot to protect you from something

587
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,360
when was the first time you could

588
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,520
remember maybe being aware of that well

589
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,279
measles was one

590
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,120
measles was a moment

591
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,960
that was the one that

592
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,120
you were vaccinated and i said i don't

593
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,799
know whether that's a

594
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,440
vaccination today a strong one

595
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,799
so yeah it's still wrong so uh

596
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,640
you know with the wearing a mask has

597
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,559
definitely been proven

598
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:19,200
you can look after your health a bit

599
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,240
better

600
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,960
and at 93 you wouldn't be saying no to

601
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,720
the vaccine at all you've had your show

602
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,240
you've had both your shots haven't you

603
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,799
i'd i've gotten the queue as long as i

604
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,799
possibly can

605
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,760
and i advise everybody else

606
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,480
to get vaccinated

607
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,360
and one last question being 93 not very

608
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,000
often you i get to talk to about my dad

609
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,200
alone look what's the biggest change you

610
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,520
can think of or see

611
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,200
positive or negative

612
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:52,240
in the whole 93 years

613
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,760
well i think the biggest change and i've

614
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:58,240
spoke about this on many many occasions

615
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,120
and

616
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i'd like to give you a list one day of

617
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,200
exactly what i've seen

618
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,039
but possibly

619
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,200
the main change that

620
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,520
we had to do

621
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:11,600
right through our life

622
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,990
if you

623
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,000
bought a house

624
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,159
you could only borrow to the value of

625
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,080
five times

626
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,039
what your yearly income was

627
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,760
and you had to live within your means

628
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,760
and budget accordingly

629
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,840
if you didn't have a car

630
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,400
or if you didn't have a refrigerator a

631
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,840
big boom was in when the wires come in

632
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,320
and i think the wallace back in my days

633
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,320
i can remember dad saying

634
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,520
we paid five pound ten for it

635
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,600
and uh

636
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:52,640
lay boys if you wanted anything

637
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,000
you had to lay by it and pay it off and

638
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,559
then go and pick it up

639
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,000
these days

640
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,039
i think that the credit card

641
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,880
system

642
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,480
has

643
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,120
blown everything out of proportion

644
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,679
where people use the card

645
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,240
run up the debt and then all of a sudden

646
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,600
they find out

647
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,919
they've got to pay for it

648
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,320
and you could go on with all the rapid

649
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,520
changes

650
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,360
but the main thing to answer your

651
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,320
question is this in our day and growing

652
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,760
up

653
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,919
live within your means

654
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:32,799
and buy it when you can afford it

655
00:27:04,230 --> 00:26:49,669
[Music]

656
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,270
tv

657
00:27:17,140 --> 00:27:09,500
[Applause]

658
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:22,549
[Music]

659
00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:23,909
now it's time once again to look into

660
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,600
the pages of trove at

661
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,559
trove.nla.gov.iu the online resource

662
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,919
from the australian government and the

663
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,480
national library of australia digitized

664
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,600
newspapers and reports and gazettes and

665
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,760
that sort of thing also we'll be looking

666
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,600
further afield to

667
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:42,240
this week combining some newspapers from

668
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:43,390
the united states

669
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,600
[Music]

670
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:49,120
and this week i thought we would look at

671
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,159
the

672
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,000
subject of palm reading or palmistry or

673
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,840
cairo mancy

674
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,360
palm reading has been around the course

675
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:58,320
for a

676
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,200
well

677
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,039
millennia

678
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,559
and i seem to remember there was a fad

679
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,960
for it when i was a kid in the

680
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,120
schoolyard for a little while

681
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,440
well it's a classic of reading

682
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:11,200
future fortune telling that sort of

683
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,320
thing

684
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,080
like uh

685
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,080
looking into the crystal ball reading

686
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
the tea leaves it's you can

687
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,559
sort of lump it in with that sort of

688
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,480
gypsy fortune tellers and that sort of

689
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,919
imagery

690
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,080
and palm reading seems to be a little

691
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:28,960
bit more personal because

692
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,919
the palm reader is looking directly

693
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,559
at uh at your hand

694
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,880
so i think you can uh see that there

695
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,240
there could be a feeling of a greater

696
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,799
connection there a better connection

697
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,000
maybe than looking at the stars

698
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,520
now before we start looking into the

699
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:48,000
archives let's see what it says over at

700
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,240
the skeptic's dictionary at s k e p d i

701
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:53,600
c dot com

702
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,840
on the subject of palmistry here it is

703
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,640
also known as caramancy is the practice

704
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,520
of telling fortunes from the lines marks

705
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,039
and patterns

706
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,520
on the hands particularly the palms

707
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:09,840
palmistry was practiced in many ancient

708
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,360
cultures such as india china and egypt

709
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,039
the first book on the subject appeared

710
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,840
in the 15th century the term karamansi

711
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,799
comes from the greek word for hand

712
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,520
palmistry was used in the middle ages to

713
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,039
detect witches

714
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,520
it was believed that certain spots on

715
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:29,279
the hand indicated

716
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,960
one had had a pact with the devil

717
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,679
palmistry was condemned by the catholic

718
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,080
church but in the 17th century it was

719
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,880
taught at several german universities

720
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,279
britain outlawed palmistry in the 18th

721
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,480
century

722
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,320
it is popular enough in america in the

723
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:48,720
20th century to deserve its own book in

724
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,960
the complete idiots guide series

725
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,440
[Music]

726
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,080
according to anne fiery the book of

727
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,440
divination

728
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:59,760
if you are right-handed your left hand

729
00:30:05,310 --> 00:30:03,200
indicates inherited personality traits

730
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,320
and your right hand indicates your

731
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,520
individuality and fulfillment of

732
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,559
potential

733
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,960
the palmists claim to be able to read

734
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,600
the various lines in your hand

735
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,080
these lines are given names like

736
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,640
lifeline the heart line the headline the

737
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,320
saturn line

738
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,559
the lifeline supposedly indicates

739
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,360
physical vitality the headline

740
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,360
intellectual capacity

741
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,039
heart line emotional nature etc

742
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,799
it goes on to say the authors of the

743
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,360
complete idiot's guide to palmistry

744
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,600
robin giles and lisa leonard claimed

745
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,480
that palmistry works because your hand

746
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,200
changes as you do they claim to have a

747
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,919
few anecdotes to back them up on this

748
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,440
but fail to produce any scientific

749
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,520
support for the claim

750
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,440
and there's more information there worth

751
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,960
a read

752
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,960
now let's have a look into the search

753
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,120
for palmistry in the news archives and

754
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,399
we've land in the year 1925 on the 13th

755
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
of june

756
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,760
from

757
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,360
which was published in adelaide south

758
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,799
australia

759
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:08,100
costly palm reading

760
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,110
brisbane today why the teller of the

761
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,919
commercial bank bundaberg was paying out

762
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,080
cash from a bundle of notes to a strange

763
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,120
woman yesterday he was persuaded by her

764
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,200
to have his palm read

765
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,039
shortly afterward the teller discovered

766
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,960
that a bundle of notes to the value of

767
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,159
50 pounds was missing the police were

768
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,720
communicated with and a search was made

769
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,039
but no one was arrested

770
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,760
it is alleged that a woman was searched

771
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,760
and found to be in possession of a sum

772
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,080
of money but the notes could not be

773
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,320
identified by the teller because the

774
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,440
numbers were not known

775
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,440
that's an interesting story

776
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,440
distract a bank teller by reading his

777
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,600
palm

778
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,399
and now we come to a story from 1929 the

779
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,399
4th of june

780
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,360
in the labor daily from sydney australia

781
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:04,799
do women

782
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,990
american report

783
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:12,159
girls take more stock in fortune telling

784
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,360
than boys

785
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,559
whether of the teacup palm reading or

786
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:18,399
playing card variety according to a

787
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:21,919
report made in the journal of abnormal

788
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:25,279
and societal psychology the greater

789
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,360
credulity of the so-called weaker sex

790
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,480
showed up in tests with some 6 000

791
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,600
school children made by dr harvard

792
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:36,720
lehmann

793
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,640
and paul a witty of ohio university and

794
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,960
the university of kansas

795
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,120
girls of all ages took greater interest

796
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,399
in dabbling in the occult than boys the

797
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,960
peak being reached at around the age of

798
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,440
13 years boys tend to outgrow their

799
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,440
superstitious leanings as they approach

800
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,320
manhood but girls do not the

801
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,399
investigators found

802
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,159
they suggested this state of affairs may

803
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,640
be due to the greater importance of

804
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,840
emotions in the life of women and also

805
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,559
to the restricted range of feminine

806
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:11,919
activities

807
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,039
these forces it was stated may cause

808
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:17,360
women to fall back on superstition for

809
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:21,440
guidance more frequently than men

810
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,200
and now from 1933 on the 16th of march

811
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:27,039
from the daily news perth western

812
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,320
australia

813
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,600
could not see

814
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,039
into future

815
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,399
fortune tellers

816
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,919
ban melbourne thursday because such an

817
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,840
unromantic thing as a full court

818
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:40,080
decision has made fortune telling

819
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,360
illegal

820
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,360
a general meeting of city cafe

821
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:45,760
proprietors decided to discontinue

822
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,919
immediately all teacup and palm reading

823
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,640
this will mean the dismissal of a large

824
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,200
number of employees in melbourne tea

825
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,080
rooms and cafes the ban which took

826
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,240
effect yesterday had far-reaching

827
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,799
effects one large cafe had to turn away

828
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,039
close to 200 women who sought to have

829
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,399
their cups or palms red the decision

830
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,800
affects cafe seers of all descriptions

831
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,359
palmists phrenologists crystal gazers

832
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,280
and teacup readers

833
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,760
a poignant feature is that none of these

834
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:19,200
could foretell

835
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,200
that the pan was going to be imposed

836
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,119
now let's head across the ocean to the

837
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,760
united states the plymouth news dated

838
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,200
the 25th of september 1913

839
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,839
seem to need

840
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,000
explanation authenticated facts as to

841
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,919
palmistry may hardly be dismissed

842
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,839
as nonsense

843
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,720
you

844
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,200
being a typical hard-headed specimen of

845
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:47,839
humanity have often expressed yourself

846
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,040
as taking not the slightest stock

847
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,480
in palmistry and all that kind of rot

848
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:56,639
and have openly jeered at feeble-minded

849
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,400
men who openly admit that they quote

850
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,720
can't help but believe there is

851
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,440
something to it end quote

852
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,160
utter nonsense of course it's nonsense

853
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,119
and yet how do you explain some of the

854
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:14,160
striking and verified instances on

855
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,240
record of the fulfillment of the future

856
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,960
as foretold by the hands

857
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,920
take the following authentic case as an

858
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,040
example

859
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,359
about four years ago two women of

860
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,839
refinement more from a spirit of

861
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,560
diversion than any other reason

862
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,480
determined to consult a well-known

863
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,560
palmist in london

864
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:39,599
the first woman was thunderstruck by the

865
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,880
accurate reading given to her past

866
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,920
she was promised a happy future also and

867
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,640
the palmist foretold many events which

868
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,800
have since come true

869
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,720
the past of the second woman was read

870
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,160
also but the palmist refrained from

871
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,880
saying anything about her future

872
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,760
when asked why she did not prophesy in

873
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,640
regard to this she replied

874
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,280
i can see no future in your hand

875
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,839
barely ten minutes afterwards the woman

876
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,400
whose hand portrayed no future

877
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,320
was run over and killed

878
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,960
by a motor omnibus when crossing the

879
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,480
strand

880
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,040
quite recently a skeptic in regard to

881
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,920
palmistry was induced to consult a

882
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:25,839
famous palmist

883
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,280
he did so in a spirit of derision

884
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,720
but his attitude soon changed to one of

885
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,720
our surprise

886
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:36,960
the promised detailed events in his life

887
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,720
which were known to himself alone

888
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,560
he had spent 10 years of his youth in

889
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,760
america

890
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,400
there he had married unhappily and

891
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,040
divorced his wife when he returned to

892
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,359
england he determined to look upon that

893
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,480
part of his life as a closed book and so

894
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,760
his friends over here without exception

895
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,079
were ignorant of the fact that he had

896
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,520
ever married

897
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,440
the palmist not only read about his

898
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,560
marriage in his hands but gave the exact

899
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,880
year in which it took place

900
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,599
the events which led up to it and those

901
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,160
which led to its disillusion

902
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,800
after this striking demonstration of the

903
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,200
art of palmistry the skeptic was

904
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,920
constrained to admit that there was a

905
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,480
great deal in it after all

906
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,400
and i think

907
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,839
apart from anything else here we've got

908
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,480
a couple of situations it's um it's the

909
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,920
classic story

910
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,800
of somebody who says i'm a skeptic

911
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,280
without realizing what that entails or

912
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,200
really means

913
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,119
in other words it's all very well to say

914
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
for example i'm a skeptic of palm

915
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,960
reading i don't believe in it and when

916
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,359
you have no understanding of

917
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,560
well basically cold reading and patter

918
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,119
and the psychology behind it

919
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,680
well you can quite easily be

920
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,040
wowed

921
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,280
we also have the situation of course of

922
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,200
stories being told

923
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,880
as in the two women who had their

924
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,920
futures red and one was killed

925
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960
we have no idea if that happened at all

926
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,119
and if it did happen what parts of it

927
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,800
really did happen what were true what

928
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,240
was not

929
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,720
we just have no idea but it makes for a

930
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,680
good story now we turn to the braidwood

931
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,560
review and district advocate

932
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,880
from new south wales dated the 22nd of

933
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,960
october 1940

934
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,720
fortune telling

935
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,320
condemned

936
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,480
insult to god

937
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,280
spiritualism fortune telling

938
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,760
omens champs and astrology were

939
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,560
condemned by the reverend francis a

940
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,680
wallace

941
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:42,480
c

942
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,240
palm reading

943
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:55,119
he said began in jest and ended

944
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,240
seriously

945
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,200
god alone could tell the future

946
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,480
if fortune tellers could tell the future

947
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:03,920
they did so

948
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,440
by the power of the devil

949
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,599
i'll just stop here and say

950
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,440
hang on a second didn't he just say that

951
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,920
god alone could tell the future

952
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,359
let's read on

953
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,359
what an insult to god

954
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,079
astrology a craze amongst many

955
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,200
australians made one doubt the mentality

956
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,040
of those who followed it

957
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,560
certain newspapers and radio

958
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,119
broadcasting stations were furthering

959
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
this ridiculous and dangerous custom

960
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,000
stupid people gave up their hard-earned

961
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,880
money to be told about the future

962
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:39,839
soft brained people had been fleeced of

963
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,599
their money by believing in the stars

964
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,000
there were warnings in the sacred

965
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:48,960
scriptures against soothsayers

966
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,240
if the horse of which some people dreamt

967
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,480
did not win the melbourne cup

968
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,839
they were tremendously disappointed

969
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,240
the melbourne cup of course being a very

970
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,040
famous horse race here in australia

971
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,160
spiritualistic seances serve the devil

972
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,400
mediums became insane because they

973
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:11,119
became possessed of the devil

974
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,319
from whom

975
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,119
they had their origin

976
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:16,880
oh that's a

977
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,319
dire warning way back in 1940

978
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:24,800
and they will leave the reports for this

979
00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:32,470
[Music]

980
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,910
yes mom reading is one of those

981
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,319
old-fashioned good old-fashioned sorts

982
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,040
of fortune telling like gazing into the

983
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,599
crystal ball or astrology or

984
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:42,880
it

985
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,720
your mind when you think about fortune

986
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,960
tellers and that sort of thing

987
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,560
but certainly worth

988
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:53,599
a visit into the digital archives to see

989
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,390
what was reported

990
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,640
[Music]

991
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,800
and you too can spend many happy hours

992
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,839
wandering

993
00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:01,280
the digital

994
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,400
corridors of trove at

995
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:06,400
trove.nla.gov dot a you run a search and

996
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:08,930
you'll never know what you'll find

997
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,190
[Applause]

998
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,800
thank you for listening to the skeptic

999
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,920
zone podcast now don't forget skepticon

1000
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,760
the australian skeptics

1001
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,680
annual convention this year being held

1002
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,280
in conjunction with the new zealand

1003
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:38,960
skeptics will be happening

1004
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,240
in november late november for all the

1005
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,000
information and to register your

1006
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,319
interest which i recommend you do and

1007
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,240
you can find out more go to

1008
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,030
i'll put a link in this week's show

1009
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,440
notes it says the australian and new

1010
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,000
zealand skeptics joint annual convention

1011
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,079
every year skeptics in australia and new

1012
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,440
zealand hold their separate annual

1013
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,359
conventions this year will be different

1014
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,280
the two groups are joining hands across

1015
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,520
the water by holding a joint event

1016
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,920
speakers in both countries and elsewhere

1017
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,520
around the world

1018
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,200
and you can see a list of some of the

1019
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,319
speakers coming up including keynotes dr

1020
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,960
richard wiseman from the uk

1021
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,760
and susie wiles from new zealand

1022
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,160
dr susie was of course who was recently

1023
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,960
the new zealander of the year

1024
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,720
it's very exciting to help get ready for

1025
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,880
that and that will be on the 20th to the

1026
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,520
21st of november head to skepticon.org

1027
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,000
dot a u to find out more and you can

1028
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,079
register your interest

1029
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,920
hope to see you there

1030
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,680
one way or another

1031
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:42,880
thank you to all those people who

1032
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,839
continue to support the skeptic zone at

1033
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,920
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1034
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,079
october already i like the first week of

1035
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,480
any given month because that's when the

1036
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,720
money from patreon

1037
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,200
comes into my account

1038
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,760
and i can use that to pay the skeptic's

1039
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,400
own bills and just pay bills in general

1040
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,000
believe it or not

1041
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,319
and uh your contribution

1042
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,640
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1043
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,960
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1044
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,880
chip in

1045
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,960
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1046
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,319
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1047
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,240
and if you could all do me a favor if

1048
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,160
you find the show enjoyable

1049
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,640
interesting you get a laugh out of it

1050
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,319
it's part of your daily

1051
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,040
routine or weekly routine

1052
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:28,560
tell your friends

1053
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,079
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1054
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,880
a trove or maynard or adrian or the

1055
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,839
skeptical fairy or no end of things

1056
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,680
i would appreciate it

1057
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,280
but for this week this is richard

1058
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:43,280
saunders signing off from sydney

1059
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,910
you've been listening to the skeptic

1060
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,359
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1061
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,800
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1062
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,030
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1063
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,599
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1064
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,760
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1065
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,760
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1066
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1068
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1070
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1071
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,359
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1072
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,200
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1073
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,440
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1074
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:28,000
of australian skeptics or any other

1075
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,230
well we've been having a really really

1076
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,760
productive morning folks at the great

1077
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,920
australian psychic prediction project

1078
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,440
i've got the scragglers here because

1079
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,920
we've spent the best part of three hours

1080
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,760
pouring through predictions

1081
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,480
and we were just looking at events in

1082
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,200
the year 2005 that didn't

1083
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:00,000
uh that weren't predicted including the

1084
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,359
pope dying

1085
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,000
a prominent politician in australia

1086
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,520
resigning uh cyclo katrina and uh and

1087
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,319
other things i'm with adrian hill hello

1088
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,440
adrian

1089
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,599
how are you doing i'm doing well rob

1090
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,520
palmer the well-known skeptic

1091
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,640
gloria

1092
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:19,839
and michelle biggesmar hello michelle

1093
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,550
you're not shaking in your seat this

1094
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,440
week

1095
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,000
not this time although just shaking with

1096
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,000
anticipation because my numbers are

1097
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,839
going to come up oh you know before we

1098
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,440
get to your numbers michelle rob we

1099
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,280
heard you earlier in the skeptic zone

1100
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,599
you're going to be interviewing of

1101
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,920
course john de lancie from star trek

1102
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,200
that's exciting

1103
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,280
oh i am jazzed about it yes i

1104
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,920
interviewed him for skeptical inquirer

1105
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,200
and my column

1106
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,839
before he spoke at cycon 2019 and that

1107
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,520
was a great opportunity to get to

1108
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,960
interview him then and this time i get

1109
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,319
to do it live

1110
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:55,280
wow

1111
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:58,880
really like him as an actor i think he's

1112
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,760
he's great and did you ever hear the

1113
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,599
series he did with leonard nimoy called

1114
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,040
alien voices

1115
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,800
i know about it but no i've never looked

1116
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,160
it up and i really should do that i

1117
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,400
enjoyed that i i bought those uh oh

1118
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,720
years ago when they came out they did

1119
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:14,720
they did spock versus q which is a lot

1120
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,599
of fun and they also did uh jules ferns

1121
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,280
they they did some recordings of jules

1122
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,920
verne's work you know dramatizations

1123
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:26,069
and him and the leonard

1124
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,040
you know of course london them i

1125
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,599
famously felt he was typecast as spock

1126
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,040
and wrote the book i am not spock which

1127
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,520
i have and then later decided i am spock

1128
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,440
and wrote that book yes so i'm going to

1129
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,240
ask john if he ever felt like that at

1130
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,079
all regarding his cue role probably not

1131
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,440
because he's had so many roles in

1132
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,400
everything yeah yeah no no and i enjoyed

1133
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,160
his work in the recent star trek

1134
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,680
continues series where he played a

1135
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,760
different character and i can't wait to

1136
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:52,000
see him on picard for card season two is

1137
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,319
it going to be q all q all the time

1138
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,520
all right so we're going to play the

1139
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,960
dice game folks we haven't played it i

1140
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,560
don't think we played it last week i've

1141
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,200
got a six-sided one just a classic this

1142
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,040
time what do i hear folks what do you

1143
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:06,720
predict

1144
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:07,599
six

1145
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,069
and for susan's sake i'm gonna say five

1146
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,440
so here's the first roll here it comes

1147
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,119
oh oh you're gonna kill me you're all

1148
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,599
gonna kill me it's five

1149
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,359
susan was right

1150
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,440
even though she's not here susan's not

1151
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,000
here she's gonna die all right next one

1152
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,520
any change or just doing a stick with

1153
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:33,040
six three four

1154
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,160
four

1155
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,190
six

1156
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
hey

1157
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,640
see i predicted earlier my numbers were

1158
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:44,240
going to come up and i was shaking with

1159
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,080
anticipation

1160
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,720
[Laughter]

1161
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,240
what was the magnitude of the earthquake

1162
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,599
what was the first number i'll pick that

1163
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,280
uh

1164
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,800
nine i think all right so i'll go with

1165
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,720
five this time

1166
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,680
i'll do a six again and michelle and i'm

1167
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,880
going to round out that 5.9 to a six all

1168
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:03,760
right here it comes

1169
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,110
wow it's two

1170
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,720
[Laughter]

1171
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,559
so there you go folks today's winning

1172
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,559
numbers are five

1173
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:14,960
six and two and of course we'll do the

1174
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:18,160
supplementary so one more roll in case

1175
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,200
we here

1176
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,079
let's go for one one

1177
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,800
i'll go for six six

1178
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,960
ah i think i'll have a change then for

1179
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:28,800
the supplementary and

1180
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,640
go for a three a three here it comes

1181
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,119
two

1182
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,880
it's amazing richard every single time i

1183
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,079
do this when i'm just listening to the

1184
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,000
podcast i get them all right oh never

1185
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:42,800
you record me i never get one right ever

1186
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,870
how do i stop the recording

1187
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,720
up at the top